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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffVideo-Cellar Date: Sep 12, 2009 9:04am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'Death Rides a Horse'

Actually, this film is owned by MGM/UA. The film is an Italian production with Italy as the country of first publication in 1967. It was shown in the US in 1968 and not generally released until late in 1969. So it would be a GATT/URAA protected film if it had ever been public domain.

The film contains the notice "Copyright MCMLXVII P.E.C SpA. All Rights Reserved." This is a valid notice. Consequently, this film has never been in the public domain. It was not registered for copyright, but it didn't need to be because it contains a notice. All unauthorised releases of this film would fall into grey market catagory - companies using unregistered copyright films because there is no statutory penalty unless the film is registered.

MGM/UA have not forgotten or abandoned this film. During the period that Sony distributed their catalogue on DVD an official DVD was released in PAL markets (Regions 2 & 4 got an MGM/Sony DVD). Currently, the worldwide home entertainment rights (Video, DVD, etc) for the film are administered by MGM/UA's rights broker "Hollywood Classics"
http://www.hollywoodclassics.com/movie/death-rides-horse

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Poster: rdb1211 Date: Sep 12, 2009 5:35pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'Death Rides a Horse'

Once again, your knowledge about all things PD is awesome & greatly appreciated 'Video_Cellar'! Thank you so much.

Such a pity... it seems every time I find a awesome 'Western' supposedly in the PD, it turns out NOT to be! Think it's 'cause they're always 'Italian':)

Just a note tho... IA currently has the Film listed:
http://www.archive.org/details/Death_Rides_A_Horse_pan_and_scan

You guys should probably remove it then?

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Poster: moviefan1993 Date: Sep 12, 2009 12:47pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'Death Rides a Horse'

That is Funny, because Wikipedia as well as a few other sites are listing it as Public Domain, Citing their sources as The US Copyright office.

So, would it be acceptable on the Archive or Not? - You're usually pretty reliable on this stuff Video_Cellar


~John

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Poster: Fact_Checker Date: Sep 20, 2009 7:23pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'Death Rides a Horse'

It was said: "Wikipedia as well as a few other sites are listing it as Public Domain, Citing their sources as The US Copyright office."

These claims don't ring true. The Copyright Office has a policy of not making declarative statements like this. They'll say "no renewal found" or "no registration found," but not state definitely that a work is in the public domain. If a Copyright Office written search report says, or if Copyright Office personnel stated over the phone, that a registration could not be found for this work (or any other), they left the door open for the work not requiring registration (as when a work is covered by GATT/URAA).

If the people writing at the web sites in question are hearing or seeing "no registration found" and interpreting that as "public domain," someone needs to give them a lesson in understanding how the law works.

As for Wikipedia and its statements about public domain works, I have corrected some egregiously wrong claims there about films being in the public domain. I had at hand copies of original documentation which I made at the Copyright Office which offered conclusive evidence that the works in question had enforceable copyrights.

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Poster: mpcapital Date: Sep 20, 2009 8:13pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'Death Rides a Horse'

I totally agree with you. Some people are taking this copyright thing way too far. Thanks for your great post!
Forex Investment Manager

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Poster: Fact_Checker Date: Sep 21, 2009 3:54pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'Death Rides a Horse'

It may not just be that others are letting their misunderstanding influence them to believe the explanation that most supports the position that a work is in the public domain. Sometimes it seems that people are deliberately putting misinformation into Wikipedia to act as "proof" to excuse their infringements. Keeping in mind that anyone can edit Wikipedia, what is to stop someone from deliberately labeling a film as "public domain," copying it for profit, then pointing to the Wikipedia entry (which these people were careful to alter using an account that can't be traced back to them) to exonerate themselves from the charge that they didn't conduct copyright research? I don't know if this has actually happened, but there have been some suspicious titles declared to be "public domain" contrary to what these people would have found in Film Superlist and the C.O. records.

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Poster: janmanzer Date: Sep 14, 2009 4:08am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'Death Rides a Horse'

Thanks for the info, as always.
Is it still listed?

Best Regards,
Jan Manzer
http://www.janmanzer.com